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3:14 καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεὸς πρὸς Μωυσῆν ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν καὶ εἶπεν οὕτως ἐρεῗς τοῗς υἱοῗς Ισραηλ ὁ ὢνἀπέσταλκέν με πρὸς ὑμᾶς
QUESTION: Is the belief in the Trinity important for salvation? If so, will Thomas Jefferson go to hell?
“The hocus-pocus phantasm of a God like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands and thousands of martyrs… In fact, the Athanasian paradox that one is three, and three but one, is so incomprehensible to the human mind, that no candid man can say he has any idea of it, and how can he believe what presents no idea? He who thinks he does, only deceives himself. He proves, also, that man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without a rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck.
[Letter to James Smith discussing Jefferson’s hate of the doctrine of the Christian trinity, December 8 1822]”
Please answer below:
"Come near to Me, listen to this: From the first I have not spoken in secret, From the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord GOD has sent Me, and His Spirit."
Taken (with notes )from here: https://christianpublishinghouse.co/2018/10/18/john-858-theological-bias-in-bible-translation/
John 8:58 is one of the most hotly debated verses in the Bible, so our investigation begins and ends here.
|UASV||ESV, LEB, HCSB, RSV||NLV||CEV|
|Jesus said to them, “Most truly I say to you, Before Abraham came to be, I have been in existence.”||Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”||Jesus said to them, “For sure, I tell you, before Abraham was born, I was and am and always will be!”||Jesus answered, “I tell you for certain that even before Abraham was, I was, and I am.”|
|NLT||NAB||TEV, GNT||NASB, ASV|
|Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!||Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM.”||“I am telling you the truth,” Jesus replied. “Before Abraham was born, ‘I AM’.”||Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”|
|John 8:58 American Translation (AT) Jesus said to them, “I tell you, I existed beforeAbraham was born!”|
A Statistical Comparison of the Occurrences of the word “Father” used for God, between the Four Canonical Gospels.
Professor of New Testament studies, James D. G. Dunn, in his book The Evidence For Jesus gives a statistical table showing how the early church remembered only a very few occasions in which Jesus spoke of God as ‘Father’ (just 3 such utterances in Mark). Yet in the later gospels (especially Matthew and John) we can see a huge inflation and expansion of the number of such sayings.
It is fair to conclude that we cannot take John’s reported testimony on this point as firm evidence of what Jesus actually said about himself. It represents a much later theological development.
Malachi 2:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
1 Corinthians 8:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Ephesians 4:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
References Georg Kaplin:
Sh’ma Yisra’eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad.
Hear, Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One.
[John 8:56] “My Day” does it refer to the Plains of Mamre or in the Future? (Differences in Biblical Commentaries)
Many Christians try to show the divinity of Christ, by equating him with the figure in Genesis 18 , ANGEL OF THE LORD. They refer to John 8:56 “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”, and in particular the wording “MY DAY“. Let us examine the different interpretations of Biblical commentors on this issue:
BLUE = Future
RED=Plains of Mamre
To conclude here, you will see that the MAJORITY of commentaries are referring to a FUTURE observance of Christ, as opposed to Jesus coming down in human form, in Genesis 18.
But as usual in John 8:57 , the Jews twisted the words of Jesus and the Trinitarian Christians are gullible enough to accept their reasoning. In the next post we will see how commentators have understood the Jews were in-fact twisting or misinterpreting what Jesus was saying.
Taken from here: https://bloggingtheology.net/2017/11/22/41936/
Michael Ramsey (1904 – 1988) was the 100th Archbishop of Canterbury. He was appointed on 31 May 1961 and held the office until 1974, having previously been the Bishop of Durham and the Archbishop of York. He was known as a theologian, educator, and advocate of Christian unity. The former Archbishop of Canterbury informs us that Jesus did not claim deity for himself. Most NT scholars would agree in my experience. The book is Jesus and the Living Past (published by Oxford University Press, 1980).