Trinity Debate


Before I mention the translations, I would like to point out that being divine ( or small g god) is different than actually being God. There is only one God in the Bible, but there are several small gods. For example Moses is called a god in Exodus 7:1, the judges are called god in Exodus 22:9, satan is called god in 2 cor 4:4.

 

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Many Christians claim that God can do EVERYTHING and ANYTHING he pleases. The Muslim obviously agrees with this statement. However, the Christian will then claim that God can become a man.

This is where the Muslim disagrees with the Christian and the Muslim has to clarify something which should be apparent to the Christian. God can do sensical things and can’t not do nonsensical things.

For example, can a square-triangle or a triangle-square exist? No. There is no such a thing as four-sided, three-sided figure or a three-sided, four-sided figure. It is a nonsensical statement.

Likewise,  is there such a thing as a man-god , or god-man? Can you have an immortal-mortal or a mortal-immortal? The answer is no.  This is also a nonsensical statement.

Now this is not a limitation on God , but this is a limitation on the questioner’s retarded intellect.

From my youtube channel, all three parts are below:

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I understand there is some scholarly disagreement over whether this is a medieval translation from Latin and Greek or whether it comes from an actual ancient Hebrew manuscript. Regardless, I still found it funny what they had for Matthew 29:19.

I have included both the regular KJV and the shem Tov for Matthew 28:19  :

KJV: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Shem Tov, taken from here: Go with them.

LOL, I just find it hilarous that in the Shem Tov there isn’t even a mention of a baptism.

Elohim. One or Plural?

by Ibn Anwar

(www.unveiling-christianity.com)

 

Assalamu’alaikum to the believers and Pax Vobiscum to the non-believers,

Reverend Tony Costa. It is a pleasure to read your thoughts on the Bible. I hope this will be the beginning of more constructive discussions to come. Let us now examine the points that you have mentioned.

The following is my response to Rev. Tony Costa’s comments that can be read at http://islamicarchives.wordpress.com/2009/05/19/elohim-is-not-always-plural/

Reverend Tony Costa said,

“The Hebrew word “elohim” is a third person masculine plural noun. It is grammatically always plural. It is used of the one true God Yahweh but when it is used of the true God “elohim” is generally followed by the singular verb. For instance Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning God ["elohim"; plural noun] created ["bara"; singular]…”. “Elohim” is also used of false gods in the Old Testament, used of human judges and angels. The context is vital in the use of “elohim”. This noun is used of Yahweh more often than the other Hebrew words”el” and “eloah”.”

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I just got off the phone with a Christian colleague of mine who has engaged us in a good discussion over the past month or so, on this blog. And he posed an interesting question to me, “Could one come to the belief in the trintiy based on the English Bible?”

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Taken from Bart Erhman’s Misquoting Jesus, page 10:

“This kind of realization coincided with the problems I was encountering the more closely I studied the surviving Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. It is one thing to say that the originals were inspired, but the reality is that we don’t have the originals—so saying they were inspired doesn’t help me much, unless I can reconstruct the originals. Moreover, the vast majority of Christians for the entire history of the church have not had access to the originals, making their inspiration something of a moot point. Not only do we not
have the originals, we don’t have the first copies of the originals. We don’t even have copies of the copies of the originals, or copies of the copies of the copies of the originals. What we have are copies made later—much later. In most instances, they are copies made many centuries later. And these copies all differ from one another, in many thousands of places. As we will see later in this book, these copies differ from one another in so many places that we don’t even know how many differences there are. Possibly it is easiest to put it in comparative terms: there are more differences among our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament.”

Taken from here:

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“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” Matthew 28:19

For the sake of argument, we will agree with trinitarian Christians that Matthew 28:19 is not a suprious verse. In addition to this, we will also agree that the fact that the singular, “name” is being used implies that all three persons are in fact one. Let us implement this same line of reasoning through out the Bible, and see what interesting conclusions can be made.

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Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (John 8:58)

Many Christians claim that in the above passage not only is Jesus claiming a pre-eternal existence but he is equating himself with God by using his title in Exodus 3:14( I am what I am).

For the sake of argument, we will agree with this assumption and utilize this line of reasoning throught the New Testament. We will assume every instance of the word Ego Eimi, the greek word for I am, is actually a title for God. Here are some interesting conclusions(Note bolded text refers to Ego Eimi):

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